Raffe Gold on Yisrael Beitanu laws

Raffe Gold has just alerted me to a blog posting he wrote about new legislation under consideration in Israel.  He says, “These bills are racist, violate basic freedoms and attempt to subjugate the democratic nature of the State of Israel. I am talking about two bills in particular: the loyalty oath and the Al-Nakba criminalization bill.”  Read his post at http://socialmusing.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/yisrael-beitanu-laws/

–L.L. Wynn

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5 Responses to Raffe Gold on Yisrael Beitanu laws

  1. Great reflection Raffe!

  2. TJ says:

    “These bills are racist, violate basic freedoms and attempt to subjugate the democratic nature of the State of Israel.”

    You people are such hypocrites. Israel is the most free democracy in the entire region, yet all you do is attack and attack and attack it. How about looking at the other side of the equation for a change? Look at the dictators who rule a number of countries surrounding Israel.

    What’s that, you won’t comment on that?

    Why have you chosen Israel as the subject of such intense and unmitigated criticism?

    Because it’s the world only Jewish State is the only reason that makes ANY sense.

    Your continued anti-semitism disgusts me.

  3. raffegold says:

    TJ,

    Please go back to any of my other postings on this site and read them. Read my blog which links to letters I have had posted in national newspapers. I can assure you that I am in no way, shape or form anti-Israel. I would like to know if you read the whole of my posting? You’ll see down the bottom where I summarise my opinion:

    I am a passionate Zionist. I believe in Israel’s right to exist and her right to defend herself from her enemies. I do not believe that Israel will devolve into a racist country should these laws, or similar laws, be passed but I do believe that it sets a dangerous precedent. I am not the only person that rallies against the extreme Yisrael Beitanu party. Many within Israel abhor their policies and were dismayed when they joined the coalition. I reject this party and their role in the government. However they are a symptom of this continued conflict. Should President Obama succeed with his efforts at calming the region extreme ideologies such as this will find it very difficult to muster up enough support to challenge those that are brave enough to make peace.

    I agree that Israel is the most free country in the entire region. I constantly support the State of Israel, have friends serving in the IDF and I blame the cycle of violence on the terrorists who refuse to compromise and believe in the destruction of the only Jewish state. The complaints that you have made need to be addressed on this blog. But please don’t say that I am an anti-Semite simply because I have criticized an extremist minority element within Israeli society. I reject the claim that being opposed to Israel’s policies makes you an anti-Semite. If that were the case then the largest population of anti-Semites would be living in Israel.

    My post was not a criticism of Israel but rather a passionate supporter who disagrees with the platforms of one of the political parties. I can assure you that this view reflects the opinions of many of my friends who live in Israel. Please understand the difference between outright rejection of Israel’s right to exist and an objection to the policies of a particular party.

    Am Yisrael Chai!

  4. Shalom TJ,

    Welcome to Khladoun!

    Khaldoun is a small but diverse community that reflects, argues, and rants about all things Middle East. Most of the discussion is political and relates to the Palestinian-Israeli-Arab conflict- but sometimes the site (too often) strays into the personal i.e. personal attacks. This is counterproductive and a sign of frustration, impatience, prejudice, malice or ignorance.

    But the site is good place to raise constructive criticism of the social and political policies of the region. There is plenty to criticise about the political situation of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Israel and the Palestinian leadership. Just as there is to criticise about Australia, the US, France or the UK. If we could not be critical of our leaders (where warranted) we would be doing a bad job as free, thinking human beings.

    Dissent is an integral part improving our communal knowledge. Israel like all communities around the world has vibrant debate amongst its citizenry Arab and Jewish, Labor and Likud, Shas and Hadash; Hadash and Ta’al.

    Just look at the protests of some members of the Ultraorthodox Jewish community in Jerusalem last week (and in December last year).

    Police Break Up Rioting Ultra Orthodox Jews, 7 June 2009
    http://www.youtube%5Bdot%5Dcom/watch?v=bzCOT9KQAgY

    http://www.reuters%5Bdot%5Dcom/article/worldNews/idUSTRE55Q21L20090627

    Jerusalem protest – 4 December 2008
    http://www.youtube%5Bdot%5Dcom/watch?v=aFJxdOzCimA&feature=fvw

    TJ welcome again to Khaldoun, we all bring prejudices to this community. Can I suggest that before allegations of racism are used:

    1. Actually check who you are pointing the finger at (Raffe is the last person in the community to be labelled antisemitic)
    2. Separate racism from constructive and reasonable dissent. An opinion which may at first seem offensive to you may over time grow on you. Give people’s different ideas time. As a youth I was told how to think about homosexuality or people from Asia or people of other faiths. Over time I found personal experience and relationships helped break my narrow-minded thinking.
    3. Ensure you are cautious in accusations of racism which may be potentially defamatory
    4. Ensure you are cautious in accusations of racism as over-use may inadvertently demonstrate a users inability to articulate a coherent argument.
    5. None of us in this community comes with complete knowledge. We all bring experiences and insights that are unique.

    Think of the potential this site has to share, grow and learn and to help put into place positive and practical ways we can support those 11 million people in the region of Palestine and Israel that desperately are seeking peace, security, meaning, identity and justice.

    Welcome! Ahlan wa Sahlan. Baruch haba/haba’a
    حفلة استقبال
    קַבָּלַת פָּנִים
    सलाम
    Swaagatam

  5. mustafa ramadan says:

    Who Nurtures Israel’s Racism ???
    25 July 2009

    It is a pity that the only superpower that claims fighting racism is the main supporter of the most racist state in the world. Are Americans really free ???
    Please read this, think and act if you can.

    http://www.arabnews.com/services/print/print.asp?artid=124829&d=24&m=7&y=2009&hl=How%20Israel%20lobby%20controls%20US

    Mustafa

    How Israel lobby controls US
    Jeff Gates | Arab News —
    Friday 24 July 2009 (01 Sha`ban 1430)
    The Middle East’s Leading English Language Daily

    IN the early 1960s, Sen. William J. Fulbright fought to force the American Zionist Council to register as agents of a foreign government. The council eluded registration by reorganizing as the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. AIPAC has since become what Fulbright most feared: A foreign agent dominating American foreign policy while disguised as a domestic lobby.

    [ed: Please go to above link to read remainder of Gates’ article.]

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